Bree Allred: Hi, everyone. Welcome to Healing at Your Core. I'm Dr. Bree Allred. I'm really excited for our [00:00:30] guest today. We have Shayla Shearer with Cache Valley Thermography, and we are gonna [00:00:35] talk a lot about what thermography is, what it can and cannot tell [00:00:40] you about your health, and where it may fit alongside kind of the established medical [00:00:45] screening and care.
Bree Allred: So I'm excited to have you with us, Shayla. Um- Tell us a little [00:00:50] about yourself, and how did you get into thermography?
Shayla Shearer: Like she said, I'm Shayla Shearer. Um, [00:00:55] I got into thermography because I'm super pas- passionate about breast health. I'm actually a [00:01:00] certified breastfeeding specialist, um, on top of a thermography technician.
Um, and so [00:01:05] I've been super passionate about breast health, obviously, because it's, it's important, um, for breastfeeding. [00:01:10] But also, my husband's a chiropractor, so we kind of do the whole holistic, [00:01:15] holistic thing. Um, and so thermography really drew me in because I like the [00:01:20] idea of giving, giving women, um, another way to learn about their bodies.
We're [00:01:25] always told to be aware about your body, be checking your breasts, all these things, and having a way to do that [00:01:30] beyond, "I think everything's fine," was super important to me.
Bree Allred: For someone who's [00:01:35] never heard of thermography, what is it?
Shayla Shearer: So thermography gives us a different kind of information [00:01:40] than what your typical things, like you hear a breast ultrasound or ma- mammography.
Um, but [00:01:45] thermography looks at something different. It looks at heat maps, um, and the patterns that heat has within [00:01:50] your body. So it looks at blood flow, inflammation-related activity, metabolism, [00:01:55] muscle activity, um, the nervous system. Just different things can give off different heat patterns. Um, and [00:02:00] our bodies always are giving off infrared heat, and a thermography camera can just pick up that very [00:02:05] specifically, and it just paints you a beautiful picture of what your heat map, your body's heat map [00:02:10] is.
Bree Allred: So when we're looking at this heat map, why should we care about it? Like, why is a [00:02:15] heat map important?
Shayla Shearer: Yeah, so your body's heat map or your heat pattern's really important because your body's [00:02:20] supposed to be symmetrical. So, um, one side should look like the other side, and the infrared camera can [00:02:25] pick up the heat coming off of your body, and if there's something that is not symmetrical or not [00:02:30] looking appropriate, then we can tell because it'll give off different heat patterns.
So your blood flow [00:02:35] can generate more heat. I like to think of it like when you hurt your ankle, right? You roll your ankle, [00:02:40] it starts to throb, it starts to get warm, you wanna put an ice pack on it, different things like that. So [00:02:45] if there's something else going on inside your body at a different position, um, we can see [00:02:50] how the blood flow, inflammation, what's going on, the muscle activity through that heat map.
Bree Allred: So what [00:02:55] causes different areas of your body to be hotter versus colder?
Shayla Shearer: Inflammation, for example, can make [00:03:00] your blood vessels grow. They get bigger. As they get bigger, it gets warmer, and different things like that, and so if there's [00:03:05] things that are constricted, it als- also can make it colder, and so we just wanna be able to see the differences.
[00:03:10] And so if you are a healthy woman and you don't know why you should get thermography, it's really a good time to [00:03:15] get like a baseline to see like, "Hey, this is what my healthy body looks like. This is what my normal, um, [00:03:20] thermographic patterns are." And so when something, um, does change or you go through [00:03:25] premenopause or a pregnancy or just different things with your body change, we can kind of see how that [00:03:30] heat pattern shifts.
And, uh, it's a really good preventative measure to be like, "Hey, we probably should watch this area of my [00:03:35] body. It's doing something asymmetrical." Hmm.
Bree Allred: That's really interesting. Do they have, like, a [00:03:40] recommended age when people should start getting, like, a baseline thermography scan?
Shayla Shearer: Um, [00:03:45] they just say whenever you want to.
Um, so, like, 18-year-olds we c- we... is typically what I would say [00:03:50] 18 years old and up, um, you wanna get it. You can get it before a recommended mammogram age, so that's [00:03:55] also a really great, um, option for, that thermography provides.
Bree Allred: Can [00:04:00] thermography diagnose a condition? Or kind of where is its role [00:04:05] in the screening process?
Shayla Shearer: Yeah. So thermography is not a diagnostic test, [00:04:10] so it, it doesn't diagnose things. I can't look at a heat matter- or a heat pattern that's abnormal and be [00:04:15] like, "Hey, that's a cyst." That's not what thermography can do. But it can say, "Hey, look, there's something going [00:04:20] on here. We sh- this warrants a test with this type of doctor."
And a therm- a thermogra- a [00:04:25] thermographist who would be reading it and giving you your interpretation, um, they, they would be able to say, [00:04:30] "Hey, this is what the kind of doctor we would recommend you go see for this," and then you could have a diagnostic test after [00:04:35] that.
Bree Allred: Tell me kind of, like, the difference when you're saying, like, a thermographist.
Like, do you know what kind of [00:04:40] education they've gone through to be able to read the thermograms, and then someone that's more like a [00:04:45] technician and what the differences between these, those two roles are?
Shayla Shearer: Yeah. So a thermographist, [00:04:50] the, there's a training for- For thermographers, where they go through and they [00:04:55] understand different heat mapping areas and what it should and shouldn't look like, what's abnormal, what's not.
And everyone's built a [00:05:00] little different. Like, I know that, um, I have a lower blood, blood, blood pressure than the average population, [00:05:05] and just knowing like what your normal is, everyone has a different normal. Our bodies are all not [00:05:10] perfectly made identically. But we have a good idea, right, of what it should look like.
And so [00:05:15] they, they go through lots of training to see what the heat mapping should look like. Um, and then they can interpret that to [00:05:20] you, and they also have like lots of references or referrals that they can give out to you to go see [00:05:25] other things. I'm a thermography tech, so I don't have all of that training, so I can't look at your heat map problem and be [00:05:30] like, "Hey, this is what I think you should do," or, "This is where you should go see," or, "This is actually abnormal."
Or... [00:05:35] And they, then they have a good idea based on like patterns what it typically is. Like if they see something light up in the [00:05:40] jaw, I've, I've sat through two screenings with them where they're like, "Oh, did you just have dental work? [00:05:45] That's probably not something to worry about." Like they know what kind of questions to ask.
Like, "This is kind of normal. You just [00:05:50] had a tooth extracted, so that's not super something I'm super concerned about." Um, [00:05:55] so they would know all the ins and outs of different things like that. But as a thermography tech, I'm just trained on how the [00:06:00] camera works, the positions you're supposed to be in, acclimating you to the right temperature because [00:06:05] you want your body to be the correct temperature, um, with the room so that we're not getting false [00:06:10] readings.
And so I'm just skilled in making sure we don't get any false readings and how the camera should be [00:06:15] set up.
Bree Allred: So what would you say that thermography does not tell us? Thermography
Shayla Shearer: is not a [00:06:20] structural, um, e- exam or test. So it's not like an ultrasound or a, or a [00:06:25] mammogram that's looking at the structure.
It's looking at the physiology. So it's looking at how well your body is working [00:06:30] and, and the, a proper amount of heat it is giving off. So it, it doesn't look at structural things. [00:06:35] It's not like an X-ray. I can't see your pelvis. I can't see [00:06:40] your, um, your ribs or anything, but I can see if it's abnormal heat pattern.
Bree Allred: So it's not [00:06:45] really looking very, like a mammography, uh, or a mammogram would look like or [00:06:50] an ultrasound or an MRI. Um, it's doing a different type of imaging.
Shayla Shearer: Yes, [00:06:55] and it, and it's really great. Um, one reason we have lots of people come get thermography is because a mammogram can't [00:07:00] always pick up on dense breast tissue.
So if you are someone with dense breast tissue, thermography's a really [00:07:05] great option because it can show you what is normal and not normal going on there, versus it might just be [00:07:10] hard to get an accurate reading.
Bree Allred: So breast thermography is probably what most women, right, are [00:07:15] associating thermography with.
What do changes in, like, breast temperature typically [00:07:20] indicate?
Shayla Shearer: Yeah, so changes in breast temperature, like if it's cooler or hotter in different areas, it can, it can [00:07:25] signify, hey, there might be something growing here. Hey, your lymph nodes might be, um, clogged and you might need some [00:07:30] lymph drainage. You, you might wanna get this checked out for a cyst or obviously breast cancer, which is what it's, like, [00:07:35] most known for.
And I'm not gonna be able to say, "Hey, yes, look, you have breast cancer," like based on this scan, but [00:07:40] I am gonna be able to say, "Hey, this is an abnormal reading for a breast and it is not looking the [00:07:45] same as your right. Your right and left are not looking the same." So this is something that we would wanna get checked out [00:07:50] preventatively, especially if it's minor, you wanna get that checked out really quickly.
Um, and [00:07:55] that's also why a baseline when you, you are younger is really great to have with thermography 'cause like, hey, this is [00:08:00] what my normal healthy breast tissue looks like with, um- heat [00:08:05] pattern-wise, and then, hey, something's off now, so let- let's get this checked out. Let's go, let's go talk to [00:08:10] my doctor.
Bree Allred: So you're basically saying this is a great baseline, but it's not gonna [00:08:15] replace a mammogram, right? Right. Um, and so when you start to see something [00:08:20] concerning, um, the client gets these readings back from the thermographist, [00:08:25] um, what would a woman do next?
Shayla Shearer: So the first thing I would do is I would take your results.
[00:08:30] You can take your, your imaging straight to your doctor. You can say, "Hey, this is something that was concerning." The [00:08:35] thermographist can also send different things over, or, or in our clinic where we d- we actually, where [00:08:40] I work and our, our, as a technician, our chiropractor in our office can even refer [00:08:45] out to those things.
So if you wanted an ultrasound immediately after, we would be able to do that for you immediately after. [00:08:50] Um, but you can always go see your primary care doctor obviously, or your OBGYN or whoever is, [00:08:55] who's taking care of you at that point, um, your primary care doctor.
Bree Allred: And then they can kind of start the more [00:09:00] diagnostic process to see how much it needs to be followed up on.
Shayla Shearer: Yep.
Bree Allred: How is [00:09:05] thermography accepted in the general medical world right now? Do you feel like doctors are [00:09:10] supporting its use? D- are they a little hesitant with it? What do you feel like the reception's [00:09:15] been overall with thermography within that medical system or that global [00:09:20] medical system?
Shayla Shearer: I would say it's all over the place.
Um, thermography has been around for thousands and thousands of [00:09:25] years. In fact, thermography first started when they would put clay on women's breasts to see if it [00:09:30] would dry faster. Like, it's been around for a really long time. Um, it [00:09:35] hasn't been widely accepted, I would say, in general, but there's quite a few doctors who will [00:09:40] refer out to this, and specifically like nurse practitioners or women health, health, the [00:09:45] women's health world or healthcare providers, they are, they're using it more and more.
So we get quite a [00:09:50] few referrals from healthcare professionals here in Cache Valley.
Bree Allred: Beyond the breasts, like, [00:09:55] what else do women ask about that you're doing maybe thermography scans on? What else might you be looking [00:10:00] for?
Shayla Shearer: Yeah. Um, one of the biggest ones is thyroid, so thyroid function. So we- we'll do a scan of the [00:10:05] neck.
We get a lot of thyroid, um, questions and a lot of thyroid health. And we also get a lot of pelvis, [00:10:10] um, lower torso, um, if, especially if they've previously had like ovarian cancer and they're just [00:10:15] wanting to look for things that are, is it, is it still looking how it did [00:10:20] after I had cancer? Is it, is there something new I should be worried about?
Um, and then obviously [00:10:25] We get tons and tons of breast cancer survivors who are, who are just getting checkups, so. [00:10:30]
Bree Allred: What kinds of patterns would you say that you typically see in women?
Shayla Shearer: Oh, [00:10:35] I think that, that it's the things that all healthcare providers are seeing. We see a lot of, um... well, see a [00:10:40] lot of inflamma- inflammation because life is stressful.
A lot of hormone dysregulation is a lot of things [00:10:45] people l- And I'm not saying we see these on thermography. I'm saying that we find these patterns, and then they go get [00:10:50] it checked out, and these are their results, is they have abnormal hormone patterns or premenopausal women [00:10:55] who their body's just changing, and they don't really know why or where to start looking first on what's going on.[00:11:00]
Um, so we see a lot of that.
Bree Allred: And it may show maybe some inflammation [00:11:05] more in the uterine area, and so you're like, "Okay, maybe you should go talk with your OBGYN [00:11:10] about things this way." Maybe an area to start looking.
Shayla Shearer: Mm-hmm. Yeah, like, if they [00:11:15] have endometriosis symptoms, and then they also see it light up on a thermography scan, it's a good sign that they should [00:11:20] probably have that checked.
Bree Allred: As women, I feel like we constantly hear the word inflammation, right? We [00:11:25] tend to be Higher stress beating beans. We have higher cortisol, which we [00:11:30] carry more inflammation in our bodies. I think that's why a lot of women are at higher risk for, like, autoimmune conditions [00:11:35] and things along those lines. Um, can thermography actually [00:11:40] see inflammation, or would you say that's an oversimplification?
Shayla Shearer: I would [00:11:45] say that it's really easy to see when the whole body lights up, that there's a lot of color going on. [00:11:50] Um, I can't... We can't verify that it's inflammation. A blood test or your doctor or different [00:11:55] things like that would have to do it. But it, like, as a someone who has seen a lot of [00:12:00] scans and has done a lot of training, like, it's definitely pretty apparent when you're pretty sure it's, [00:12:05] it's inflammation and that they need to find sort of, some sort of lifestyle change to [00:12:10] help, help reduce that.
Bree Allred: Do you notice areas of, like, if there's somebody that has muscular [00:12:15] tension or an injury in their muscles, can you see that?
Shayla Shearer: Yeah. Yeah. Um, injuries typically [00:12:20] light up either cold or hot. It just depends on what kind of injury it was and what kind of, what happened. [00:12:25] Um, but yeah, they- they'll, they'll show right up.
So obviously in your intake paperwork we always are [00:12:30] like, "What do you know recently happened?" And versus, "What are we looking at that you might not even known what was [00:12:35] going on?"
Bree Allred: Tell us a little bit as far as, like, what you see maybe in a woman going through hormonal [00:12:40] changes. Um, we kind of talked a little bit about maybe some endometriosis.
We may see some different [00:12:45] changes in, in those thermal patterns in the, the pelvis. But let's talk a little bit [00:12:50] about, like, what would you see if somebody's struggling with hormone changes or perimenopause/menopausal timeframes? [00:12:55]
Shayla Shearer: So a great example of this would be, like, a hot flash, right? You're going through perimenopause, you have hot flashes.
Uh, that obviously [00:13:00] is a temperature re- regulated thing, right? So where is that coming from? Why are you, why are you getting these, these [00:13:05] hot flashes? Also hormones obviously, um, different things like if things are working in [00:13:10] overdrive because you're lacking a hormone or you have too much of a hormone, like that's gonna, that's gonna increase, um, [00:13:15] different, uh, temperatures in different parts of your body.
The, um, other [00:13:20] thing, metabolism. Like, obviously when they're going through those things, their metabolism is sometimes hindered or [00:13:25] different things like that as things are changing. And so we'll see, we'll see, um, also temperature [00:13:30] changes es- Because of that.
Bree Allred: Somebody has decided, they're like, "Okay, I'm on board.
I wanna get a [00:13:35] baseline thermog- thermogram." Walk me through what would an appointment look like for somebody from the [00:13:40] moment-- Like, I'm coming to see you. From the moment I walk through the door, what is that gonna look like?
Shayla Shearer: It starts before you [00:13:45] walk through the door. So 24 hours before, we wanna make sure you're not having caffeine, 'cause [00:13:50] again, that, that can spike different things.
So you don't wanna be drinking any caffeine. You don't wanna be drinking any hot [00:13:55] drinks like coffee right before you come, because obviously that, that impacts your, your temperature. We [00:14:00] also don't want like, um, sitting on a seat warmer on your way to your appointment. That totally throws [00:14:05] things off. We don't want you wearing a bra for four hours before.
There's things like that. And [00:14:10] so we will send you a list of things that we wanna make sure you don't do, or you [00:14:15] do do before you, you show up to our office. But once you're here, we'll take you back to our thermography [00:14:20] room. It's totally private. This is one of the best parts about thermography is it's non-invasive.
I'm not [00:14:25] going to touch you. You're not gonna have a machine touch you. You're not gonna be squished [00:14:30] or prodded or pulled on. Um, and so I'll take you back to the room. We will shut, shut [00:14:35] the c- the curtain so that you're completely private by yourself in a room, and we'll have you undress, [00:14:40] um, depending on what kind of thermography you do.
We, we do breasts, so then you'd only [00:14:45] undress from the, obviously the waist up. We do full body where you would be completely [00:14:50] nude, or we, um, also just do torso, so like when we're looking at your abdomen and [00:14:55] different things like that, so then that would again be from the waist up. So we'll undress you to your appropriate [00:15:00] scan type, and then we have you acclimate to the room for 15 minutes.
And [00:15:05] everyone, this is the worst part for everyone, because you have to just stand there for 15 minutes. But don't worry, we'll [00:15:10] talk to you. We won't make it awkward. We will make it as entertaining as possible. But, [00:15:15] so you'll acclimate for 15 minutes, um, and once that is done, then we will [00:15:20] position you. And there's not very many, um, positions we actually have to put you in.
So if you had like a breast [00:15:25] thermography, it's probably about six images, so it's pretty quick. After that, like maybe five minutes. [00:15:30] Super fast. If you're doing a full body, it could be up to 10, 15 minutes, depending on how easy it is for [00:15:35] you to move into all the different positions and things like that. Um, and then once [00:15:40] that's done, you just get dressed, and it would be like seven to 10 days for you to get your results back, just like [00:15:45] most tests.
Takes a couple, a couple days. And then once that's back, then you will, you [00:15:50] would have a meeting. And w- with us, it's virtually. You'd have it virtually with a thermographist, and they would [00:15:55] just go over all your scans with you, answer all your questions, get you the referrals that you needed. [00:16:00] Or if you prefer to be seen in person, our doctors here in our office are actually, um, [00:16:05] trained to be able to look over th- look over those after they get the thermography report from [00:16:10] the doctor.
So they'll get the thermographist's report, and then they can go over it with you.
Bree Allred: If something [00:16:15] unexpected shows up in those reports, then it's more just, okay, here's the next steps and letting you know where [00:16:20] to go
Shayla Shearer: Yep, yep, or everything looks great. This is a really good baseline. Um, [00:16:25] for breast health they recommend every six months to come back and s- be seen.
Um, if everything's looking really [00:16:30] good, they might recommend a year.
Bree Allred: So let's talk about some misconceptions with [00:16:35] thermography. Um, does it expose you to radiation?
Shayla Shearer: It does not. That is one of the biggest [00:16:40] benefits of thermography, no radiation.
Bree Allred: Can you have a therm- like a thermogram while you're [00:16:45] pregnant?
Shayla Shearer: Yes, you can. It's safe for pregnancy.
Bree Allred: Um, can you have it while you're breastfeeding?
Shayla Shearer: Yes, you can have it when you're [00:16:50] breastfeeding. Um, it does- thermography doesn't put any on- thing onto you or in you. Like, it's only reading [00:16:55] things off of you, so there's no output with thermography.
Bree Allred: So I'm a breast cancer survivor, and I did have a [00:17:00] reconstruction and I have breast implants.
Um, would that affect my reading?
Shayla Shearer: It would affect your [00:17:05] reading, but it wouldn't mean that you would be disqualified. So it would just impact what they see and what they don't [00:17:10] see and, and obviously how much heat comes off of an implant.
Bree Allred: So generally speaking, [00:17:15] um, who would you recommend get a thermogram?
Shayla Shearer: I think that [00:17:20] all women should get one from the age 18 up.
Uh, you should at least get a baseline so that you can follow up later [00:17:25] in life. So if you come in and get a baseline, um, when you're feeling good or you don't think that there's [00:17:30] anything you should be concerned about, that would give you a really solid baseline. But if you are unable to, you already have [00:17:35] concerns, like that is great too.
Come and get a thermography scan and see what you should be watching [00:17:40] or what is abnormal, because a lot of us have no idea what's abnormal going on in our body [00:17:45] until the symptoms are life-changing or ability- or affecting your day-to-day [00:17:50] life.
Bree Allred: And then how often would you say people typically repeat the imaging?[00:17:55]
Shayla Shearer: If they have already had, um, a cancer, they will repeat every, every six months is [00:18:00] what we'll see. If they are doing really healthy and they just want a baseline, they just wanna make sure that they're [00:18:05] continually doing well, or if they have had, um, family history, uh, a, [00:18:10] six months to a year is the most common.
We don't usually see bigger gaps between scans than that. [00:18:15] People usually like to do it every six months or every year.
Bree Allred: Would you say there are women [00:18:20] who a thermogram really isn't useful for?
Shayla Shearer: Hmm. No, I wouldn't say. I would say that it [00:18:25] would work for almost anyone because your body puts off temperatures.
Even if you've had like a breast reconstruction, I [00:18:30] still think that it's good to see the tissue surrounding that and, and h- how that's impacting the [00:18:35] rest of your body, even with the reconstruction. Um, but also like breast [00:18:40] thermography isn't all we do, so there's other parts of your body. So I would say it's good for anyone just because there's no [00:18:45] radiation and it, I mean, it's not gonna harm you regardless.
Bree Allred: What is one [00:18:50] situation where you would immediately tell somebody, like, "Don't get a thermogram," like, "Go directly [00:18:55] to your physician"?
Shayla Shearer: If they already had a positive test of some sort and they weren't wanting to, to [00:19:00] go do the things that their physician had said, then I would be hesitant to, [00:19:05] um- To just accept them immediately.
I would mark [00:19:10] them, and if they, they, they pushed and they wanted a thermography exam even though I knew that they needed [00:19:15] an ultrasound, they needed a mammogram, they needed something different, um, I mean, I would still do it, but I [00:19:20] would mark it urgent, um, on my ther- thermographist's report because then they would get to it [00:19:25] really fast and the, the thermographist themself would be like, "You really need to do X, Y, and Z," as another, [00:19:30] another voice of reason.
Bree Allred: One thing we're really passionate about at Aylara is [00:19:35] helping women become more curious about their bodies instead of simply just accepting common [00:19:40] symptoms or certain symptoms as normal. Um, so how can thermography [00:19:45] potentially contribute to that bigger picture of just understanding your own body?
Shayla Shearer: [00:19:50] Something that we hear all the time is, "I just feel like I'm crazy," or, [00:19:55] "I, I-- something is wrong, but I don't know what it is. I just f- like..." And, and [00:20:00] women, we're, we're hard on ourselves, right? We, we are always like, "I need to put [00:20:05] everyone else first. Different things need to come first. I just am feeling slightly off."
Um, but [00:20:10] getting the preventative health, whether it's at Aylara or, or with a thermography scan, scan, [00:20:15] is really important for women. Like, you, you deserve to not live [00:20:20] and d- deal with things that are common but not normal.
Bree Allred: With your, uh, [00:20:25] thermography tech, um, lens a little bit, like, what would you, [00:20:30] what would you want every woman to know?
Shayla Shearer: that you matter, um, and that you're [00:20:35] important, and that there are things that we don't know, and if with preventative [00:20:40] healthcare you can prevent lifelong changes like p- detecting, um, breast [00:20:45] cancer early on can change your life, and detecting thyroid problems early on can change your [00:20:50] outlook on your everyday life.
And being able to take care of yourself and put yourself first is really [00:20:55] important, and we don't do that enough as women.
Bree Allred: I agree. And I love just going back to that last [00:21:00] thing where it's like we know our bodies, right? And we know when something's wrong, and sometimes [00:21:05] we need to look outside of the typical proverbial box to find what's going on.
And I [00:21:10] think this could be a great tool for a lot of women to be able to see like, hey, [00:21:15] here's, do you know what I mean, some patches that are asymmetrical or that's showing up maybe atypical from what [00:21:20] we normally see, and can give us a place to start maybe knowing where to look for why we're [00:21:25] feeling off.
So if you had a woman that was listening and wondering like, "Should I [00:21:30] try thermography," uh, what would you tell her?
Shayla Shearer: I would tell her, "Yes, absolutely [00:21:35] try thermography," because thermography can give you, give you that bas- baseline and that peace of mind. [00:21:40] A lot of women are scared of what they're gonna see on scan results regardless of what kind of [00:21:45] test is done, but, um, like preventative medicine is, [00:21:50] is life-changing, so.
Bree Allred: So at Aylara, our goal is not to convince [00:21:55] women that one treatment, test, or provider has every answer. Um, [00:22:00] it's really all about understanding your body, knowing what your normals are, [00:22:05] and challenging the status quo when you know that something's not right, and [00:22:10] looking at, for resources and options that you can do to help you [00:22:15] find why you're feeling the way that you're feeling, 'cause we are very intuitive beings, [00:22:20] and I really believe that we, um, that we know and we need to trust that [00:22:25] instinct.
So, um, Shayla, tell me a little bit more about where our guests can [00:22:30] find you guys and learn about your services. Where can they find you?
Shayla Shearer: So Cache Valley [00:22:35] Thermography, we're on Instagram and Facebook. Um, we're located in North Logan, Utah, and [00:22:40] we are inside of Ideal Family Chiropractic. We have our own space though so we're away from [00:22:45] everyone else, which is really nice.
Um, and you can reach out to us there or you can reach out to [00:22:50] us on the Ideal Family Chiropractic website. There we have a whole thermography page under them.
Bree Allred: So [00:22:55] great. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. I think this was a great conversation, um, [00:23:00] and I hope that this educates women on another resource that we have, and that maybe we [00:23:05] don't think about that's typical that's maybe in that alternative region for, or, [00:23:10] um, uh, just alternative care I guess that maybe people haven't heard of.
So [00:23:15] we appreciate your time today. Thanks everyone for joining us at, uh, Healing at Your Core, and [00:23:20] please look in the show notes if you're interested in looking into thermography.
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